ビジネスソフトすべて クチコミ掲示板

MIFES (MEGASOFT) 10 , 11 の動作環境等も含めた違いは…

[Noct-Nikkor 欲しい]

2014年11月27日 ニュースリリース
MIFES (MEGASOFT) β版
https://www.megasoft.co.jp/publish/mifes10beta/
や
https://kakaku.com/prdcompare/prdcompare.aspx?pd_cmpkey=K0001522202_K0000743113&pd_ctg=0320
を見て

なんとなく2つのファイル間の比較が いろいろ出来そうな
イメージは持ちましたが、ハテ?
フリーソフトとの違いも気になりました … 今更かもですが.

書込番号：25386983

[ありりん00615]

進化した構造解析エンジンによる整形が売りなのだと思います。

Mifes全盛期から使われていた秀丸エディターは今も健在です。
https://forest.watch.impress.co.jp/library/software/hidemaru/
シェアウェアなので、トライアル期間が過ぎると料金の催促が出るようになります。

無料のNotepad++もプラグインで様々な機能を追加できます。
https://so-zou.jp/software/tech/tool/editor/notepad-plus/plug-in/

書込番号：25387047

[Noct-Nikkor 欲しい]

＞ありりん00615 さま 、ご説明ありがとう御座います。
MIFESの歴史(version5.5や10, 11) やテキストエディタ/ファイル
比較…相違箇所確認など 少し分かったような気もしています。

https://www.megasoft.co.jp/mifes/history/

https://www.megasoft.co.jp/mifes/about.html

https://www.megasoft.co.jp/mifes11/function/compare.php

お時間のあるとき もう少し調べてみたいです。

書込番号：25389292

需要は無いとは思いますが・・・

[demio2016]

一応自己利用の為に、ちょいと作成しましたのでアップしてみます。
イオンJMBカード（JMB WAON一体型/G.Gマーク付）新しい特典のご案内ついて
https://www.aeon.co.jp/information/2023/0131_01/
こちらのボーナスマイル商品購入等によるJALマイル記録簿の定義ファイルをアップしてみます。
10,000JALを目指して夫婦でトライしてみようかなと思い、達成状況確認の為に作成しました。

以下を適当に名前を付けて、k3xファイルで保存後、ご使用下さい。
###
### WIN桐 00
###
"区分","文字列","M1370",,,"しない","許可",,,"{1:""夫"",2:""妻""}010",,,,,,,"許可","許可",,,"基本",,,,,,,0,,0,,1,1,,,,,,,,1,"M1370","する",,,",,,0,00000000","00000000",,,",,,0,00000000","00000000",,,,-1,,"00,00,00,",,"00000000",,,,,
"WAON種別","文字列","M1370",,,"しない","許可",,,"{1:""イオン"",2:""モバイル"",3:""JAL""}010",,,,,,,"許可","許可",,,"基本",,,,,,,0,,0,,2,2,,,,,,,,2,"M1370","する",,,",,,0,00000000","00000000",,,",,,0,00000000","00000000",,,,-1,,"00,00,00,",,"00000000",,,,,
"ショッピングマイル","数値","M1370",,,"しない","許可",,,"{1:""100""/""会員"",2:""200""/""非会員""}010",,,,,,,"許可","許可",,,"基本",,,,,,,0,,0,,3,3,,,,,,,,3,"M1370","する",,,",,,0,00000000","00000000",,,",,,0,00000000","00000000",,,,-1,,"01,01,01,",,"00000000",,,,,
"利用年","整数","M1370",,,"しない","許可",,,,,,,,,,"許可","許可",,,"基本",,,,,,,0,,0,,4,4,,,,,,,,4,"M1370","する",,,",,,0,00000000","00000000",,,",,,0,00000000","00000000","0,0,00000000","0,0,00000000",,-1,,"02,01,01,","A","00000000",,,,,
"利用月","整数","M1370",,,"しない","許可",,,,,,,,,,"許可","許可",,,"基本",,,,,,,0,,0,,5,5,,,,,,,,5,"M1370","する",,,",,,0,00000000","00000000",,,",,,0,00000000","00000000","0,0,00000000","0,0,00000000",,-1,,"02,01,01,","A","00000000",,,,,
"利用日","整数","M1370",,,"しない","許可",,,,,,,,,,"許可","許可",,,"基本",,,,,,,0,,0,,6,6,,,,,,,,6,"M1370","する",,,",,,0,00000000","00000000",,,",,,0,00000000","00000000","0,0,00000000","0,0,00000000",,-1,,"02,01,01,","A","00000000",,,,,
"利用金額","通貨","M2005",,,"しない","許可",,,,,,,,,,"許可","許可",,,"基本",,,,,,,0,,0,,7,7,,,,,,,,7,"M2005","する",,,",,,0,00000000","00000000",,,",,,0,00000000","00000000","0,0,00000000","0,0,00000000",,-1,"\","01,01,01,","A","00000000",,,,,
"ボーナスポイント","数値","M2640",,,"しない","許可",,,,,,,,,,"許可","許可",,,"基本",,,,,,,0,,0,,8,8,,,,,,,,8,"M2640","する",,,",,,0,00000000","00000000",,,",,,0,00000000","00000000","0,0,00000000","0,0,00000000",,-1,,"01,01,01,","A","00000000",,,,,
"JALマイル","数値","M2005",,"#条件選択(#集合番号([WAON種別],[WAON種別])≠1,#切り捨て([利用金額]÷[ショッピングマイル],-1)×2+([ボーナスポイント]÷2),1,#切り捨て([利用金額]÷[ショッピングマイル],-1)+([ボーナスポイント]÷2))","しない","許可",,,,,,,,,,"許可","許可",,,"計算",,,,,,,0,,0,,9,9,,,,,,,,9,"M2005","する",,,",,,0,00000000","00000000",,,",,,0,00000000","00000000","0,0,00000000","0,0,00000000",,-1,,"01,01,01,","A","00000000",,,,,
"マイル還元率％","数値","M2640",,"#四捨五入(([JALマイル]÷[利用金額])×100,2)","しない","許可",,,,,,,,,,"許可","許可",,,"計算",,,,,,,0,,0,,10,10,,,,,,,,10,"M2640","する",,,",,,0,00000000","00000000",,,",,,0,00000000","00000000","0,0,00000000","0,0,00000000",,-1,,"01,01,01,","A","00000000",,,,,
"目標マイル残","数値","M2323",,"#直前値([目標マイル残],400)-#直前値([JALマイル],[JALマイル])","しない","許可",,,,,,,,,,"許可","許可",,,"計算",,,,,,,0,,0,,11,11,,,,,,,,11,"M2323","する",,,",,,0,00000000","00000000",,,",,,0,00000000","00000000","0,0,00000000","0,0,00000000",,-1,,"01,01,01,","A","00000000",,,,,
"目標達成率％","数値","M2640",,"#四捨五入(100×(#直前値([JALマイル],0)+[JALマイル])÷[目標マイル残],2)","しない","許可",,,,,,,,,,"許可","許可",,,"計算",,,,,,,0,,0,,12,12,,,,,,,,12,"M2640","する",,,",,,0,00000000","00000000",,,",,,0,00000000","00000000","0,0,00000000","0,0,00000000",,-1,,"01,01,01,","A","00000000",,,,,
"備考","文字列","M2958",,,"しない","許可",,,,,,,,,,"許可","許可",,,"基本",,,,,,,0,,0,,13,13,,,,,,,,13,"M2958","する",,,",,,0,00000000","00000000",,,",,,0,00000000","00000000","0,0,00000000","0,0,00000000",,-1,,"00,00,00,","A","00000000",,,,,

書込番号：25220219

[沼さん]

[桐]ですか・・・PC 98 で利用していました。
[日本語入力フロントプロセッサ（日本語入力FEP） [松茸] と 共に ・・・

懐かしい 追 吊られ ・・・板汚し御免なさい ！

書込番号：25220256

[demio2016]

＞沼さんさん
いえいえ、ご返信ありがとうございます。
桐V2辺りから現在まで使用を続けており、使い慣れたソフトなので、こんな感じで、ちょこちょこ使っています（笑）。

書込番号：25220303

[The 1st]

その頃はカード型データベースですか？

書込番号：25220477

[demio2016]

＞The 1stさん
データベース桐は、可変長リレーショナルデータベースであり、シーケンシャルファイル形式のものです。
カード型データベースでは、当時アスキーの固定長ファイル形式の「The CARD」というものも有りました。
現在も個人的にはそうだと思っていますが、当時桐の使い易さが秀でていた時代です（笑）。

書込番号：25220823

[The 1st]

＞demio2016さん
ありがとうございました。桐は5の時、表の複数人の編集は対応していなかった記憶がありましたが如何ですか？

書込番号：25220841

[demio2016]

＞The 1stさん
シーケンシャルファイルの為、編集は排他処理となります。
複数で編集するとファイルが破損します。

書込番号：25221068　スマートフォンサイトからの書き込み

[demio2016]

書込番号：25220219の桐定義に誤りがありました。
早速の訂正ですｍ（＿　＿）ｍ。

###
### WIN桐 00
###
"区分","文字列","M1370",,,"しない","許可",,,"{1:""夫"",2:""妻""}010",,,,,,,"許可","許可",,,"基本",,,,,,,0,,0,,1,1,,,,,,,,1,"M1370","する",,,",,,0,00000000","00000000",,,",,,0,00000000","00000000","0,0,00000000","0,0,00000000",,-1,,"00,00,00,","A","00000000",,,,,
"WAON種別","文字列","M1370",,,"しない","許可",,,"{1:""イオン"",2:""モバイル"",3:""JAL""}010",,,,,,,"許可","許可",,,"基本",,,,,,,0,,0,,2,2,,,,,,,,2,"M1370","する",,,",,,0,00000000","00000000",,,",,,0,00000000","00000000","0,0,00000000","0,0,00000000",,-1,,"00,00,00,","A","00000000",,,,,
"ショッピングマイル","数値","M1370",,,"しない","許可",,,"{1:""100""/""会員"",2:""200""/""非会員""}010",,,,,,,"許可","許可",,,"基本",,,,,,,0,,0,,3,3,,,,,,,,3,"M1370","する",,,",,,0,00000000","00000000",,,",,,0,00000000","00000000","0,0,00000000","0,0,00000000",,-1,,"01,01,01,","A","00000000",,,,,
"利用年","整数","M1370",,,"しない","許可",,,,,,,,,,"許可","許可",,,"基本",,,,,,,0,,0,,4,4,,,,,,,,4,"M1370","する",,,",,,0,00000000","00000000",,,",,,0,00000000","00000000","0,0,00000000","0,0,00000000",,-1,,"02,01,01,","A","00000000",,,,,
"利用月","整数","M1370",,,"しない","許可",,,,,,,,,,"許可","許可",,,"基本",,,,,,,0,,0,,5,5,,,,,,,,5,"M1370","する",,,",,,0,00000000","00000000",,,",,,0,00000000","00000000","0,0,00000000","0,0,00000000",,-1,,"02,01,01,","A","00000000",,,,,
"利用日","整数","M1370",,,"しない","許可",,,,,,,,,,"許可","許可",,,"基本",,,,,,,0,,0,,6,6,,,,,,,,6,"M1370","する",,,",,,0,00000000","00000000",,,",,,0,00000000","00000000","0,0,00000000","0,0,00000000",,-1,,"02,01,01,","A","00000000",,,,,
"利用金額","通貨","M2005",,,"しない","許可",,,,,,,,,,"許可","許可",,,"基本",,,,,,,0,,0,,7,7,,,,,,,,7,"M2005","する",,,",,,0,00000000","00000000",,,",,,0,00000000","00000000","0,0,00000000","0,0,00000000",,-1,"\","01,01,01,","A","00000000",,,,,
"ボーナスポイント","数値","M2640",,,"しない","許可",,,,,,,,,,"許可","許可",,,"基本",,,,,,,0,,0,,8,8,,,,,,,,8,"M2640","する",,,",,,0,00000000","00000000",,,",,,0,00000000","00000000","0,0,00000000","0,0,00000000",,-1,,"01,01,01,","A","00000000",,,,,
"JALマイル","数値","M2005",,"#条件選択(#集合番号([WAON種別],[WAON種別])≠1,#切り捨て([利用金額]÷[ショッピングマイル],-1)×2+([ボーナスポイント]÷2),1,#切り捨て([利用金額]÷[ショッピングマイル],-1)+([ボーナスポイント]÷2))","しない","許可",,,,,,,,,,"許可","許可",,,"計算",,,,,,,0,,0,,9,9,,,,,,,,9,"M2005","する",,,",,,0,00000000","00000000",,,",,,0,00000000","00000000","0,0,00000000","0,0,00000000",,-1,,"01,01,01,","A","00000000",,,,,
"マイル還元率％","数値","M2640",,"#四捨五入(([JALマイル]÷[利用金額])×100,2)","しない","許可",,,,,,,,,,"許可","許可",,,"計算",,,,,,,0,,0,,10,10,,,,,,,,10,"M2640","する",,,",,,0,00000000","00000000",,,",,,0,00000000","00000000","0,0,00000000","0,0,00000000",,-1,,"01,01,01,","A","00000000",,,,,
"目標マイル残","数値","M2323",,"#直前値([目標マイル残],400)-[JALマイル]","しない","許可",,,,,,,,,,"許可","許可",,,"計算",,,,,,,0,,0,,11,11,,,,,,,,11,"M2323","する",,,",,,0,00000000","00000000",,,",,,0,00000000","00000000","0,0,00000000","0,0,00000000",,-1,,"01,01,01,","A","00000000",,,,,
"目標達成率％","数値","M2640",,"#四捨五入(100×(400-[目標マイル残])÷400,3)","しない","許可",,,,,,,,,,"許可","許可",,,"計算",,,,,,,0,,0,,12,12,,,,,,,,12,"M2640","する",,,",,,0,00000000","00000000",,,",,,0,00000000","00000000","0,0,00000000","0,0,00000000",,2,,"01,01,01,","A","00000000",,,,,
"備考","文字列","M2958",,,"しない","許可",,,,,,,,,,"許可","許可",,,"基本",,,,,,,0,,0,,13,13,,,,,,,,13,"M2958","する",,,",,,0,00000000","00000000",,,",,,0,00000000","00000000","0,0,00000000","0,0,00000000",,-1,,"00,00,00,","A","00000000",,,,,

書込番号：25221259

[demio2016]

再三の修正でお恥ずかしい限りです。
今度こそは大丈夫だと思います。

###
### WIN桐 00
###
"区分","文字列","M1370",,,"しない","許可",,,"{1:""夫"",2:""妻""}010",,,,,,,"許可","許可",,,"基本",,,,,,,0,,0,,1,1,,,,,,,,1,"M1370","する",,,",,,0,00000000","00000000",,,",,,0,00000000","00000000","0,0,00000000","0,0,00000000",,-1,,"00,00,00,","A","00000000",,,,,
"WAON種別","文字列","M1370",,,"しない","許可",,,"{1:""イオン"",2:""モバイル"",3:""JAL""}010",,,,,,,"許可","許可",,,"基本",,,,,,,0,,0,,2,2,,,,,,,,2,"M1370","する",,,",,,0,00000000","00000000",,,",,,0,00000000","00000000","0,0,00000000","0,0,00000000",,-1,,"00,00,00,","A","00000000",,,,,
"ショッピングマイル","数値","M1370",,,"しない","許可",,,"{1:""100""/""会員"",2:""200""/""非会員""}010",,,,,,,"許可","許可",,,"基本",,,,,,,0,,0,,3,3,,,,,,,,3,"M1370","する",,,",,,0,00000000","00000000",,,",,,0,00000000","00000000","0,0,00000000","0,0,00000000",,-1,,"01,01,01,","A","00000000",,,,,
"利用年","整数","M1370",,,"しない","許可",,,,,,,,,,"許可","許可",,,"基本",,,,,,,0,,0,,4,4,,,,,,,,4,"M1370","する",,,",,,0,00000000","00000000",,,",,,0,00000000","00000000","0,0,00000000","0,0,00000000",,-1,,"02,01,01,","A","00000000",,,,,
"利用月","整数","M1370",,,"しない","許可",,,,,,,,,,"許可","許可",,,"基本",,,,,,,0,,0,,5,5,,,,,,,,5,"M1370","する",,,",,,0,00000000","00000000",,,",,,0,00000000","00000000","0,0,00000000","0,0,00000000",,-1,,"02,01,01,","A","00000000",,,,,
"利用日","整数","M1370",,,"しない","許可",,,,,,,,,,"許可","許可",,,"基本",,,,,,,0,,0,,6,6,,,,,,,,6,"M1370","する",,,",,,0,00000000","00000000",,,",,,0,00000000","00000000","0,0,00000000","0,0,00000000",,-1,,"02,01,01,","A","00000000",,,,,
"利用金額","通貨","M2005",,,"しない","許可",,,,,,,,,,"許可","許可",,,"基本",,,,,,,0,,0,,7,7,,,,,,,,7,"M2005","する",,,",,,0,00000000","00000000",,,",,,0,00000000","00000000","0,0,00000000","0,0,00000000",,-1,"\","01,01,01,","A","00000000",,,,,
"ボーナスポイント","数値","M2640",,,"しない","許可",,,,,,,,,,"許可","許可",,,"基本",,,,,,,0,,0,,8,8,,,,,,,,8,"M2640","する",,,",,,0,00000000","00000000",,,",,,0,00000000","00000000","0,0,00000000","0,0,00000000",,-1,,"01,01,01,","A","00000000",,,,,
"JALマイル","数値","M2005",,"#条件選択(#集合番号([WAON種別],[WAON種別])≠1,#切り捨て([利用金額]÷[ショッピングマイル],-1)×2+([ボーナスポイント]÷2),1,#切り捨て([利用金額]÷[ショッピングマイル],-1)+([ボーナスポイント]÷2))","しない","許可",,,,,,,,,,"許可","許可",,,"計算",,,,,,,0,,0,,9,9,,,,,,,,9,"M2005","する",,,",,,0,00000000","00000000",,,",,,0,00000000","00000000","0,0,00000000","0,0,00000000",,-1,,"01,01,01,","A","00000000",,,,,
"マイル還元率％","数値","M2640",,"#四捨五入(([JALマイル]÷[利用金額])×100,2)","しない","許可",,,,,,,,,,"許可","許可",,,"計算",,,,,,,0,,0,,10,10,,,,,,,,10,"M2640","する",,,",,,0,00000000","00000000",,,",,,0,00000000","00000000","0,0,00000000","0,0,00000000",,-1,,"01,01,01,","A","00000000",,,,,
"目標マイル残","数値","M2323",,"#直前値([目標マイル残],400)-#切り捨て([利用金額]÷[ショッピングマイル],-1)-([ボーナスポイント]÷2)","しない","許可",,,,,,,,,,"許可","許可",,,"計算",,,,,,,0,,0,,11,11,,,,,,,,11,"M2323","する",,,",,,0,00000000","00000000",,,",,,0,00000000","00000000","0,0,00000000","0,0,00000000",,-1,,"01,01,01,","A","00000000",,,,,
"目標達成率％","数値","M2640",,"#四捨五入(100×(400-[目標マイル残])÷400,3)","しない","許可",,,,,,,,,,"許可","許可",,,"計算",,,,,,,0,,0,,12,12,,,,,,,,12,"M2640","する",,,",,,0,00000000","00000000",,,",,,0,00000000","00000000","0,0,00000000","0,0,00000000",,2,,"01,01,01,","A","00000000",,,,,
"備考","文字列","M2958",,,"しない","許可",,,,,,,,,,"許可","許可",,,"基本",,,,,,,0,,0,,13,13,,,,,,,,13,"M2958","する",,,",,,0,00000000","00000000",,,",,,0,00000000","00000000","0,0,00000000","0,0,00000000",,-1,,"00,00,00,","A","00000000",,,,,

書込番号：25221763

review後記

[Noct-Nikkor 欲しい]

>
Adobe Acrobatのファイル比較ツールを使い 異なる部分をハイライト表示
する事で違いがすぐに分かるのなら、目視チェックより見落としは少なそ
うだと感じます(2つのPDF文書を比較する際に欲しい機能かもです)。　

グラフィック選択ツールに就いてもコメント … 今更かもですが再評価。。
一度 100%倍率で選択しコピーした後で 倍率を(400%などに)変更しても コ
ピー やり直しは可能なので、こういうところは便利だと感じています!

最後に、最新版のCMに就いて :
アイマスクを取ると そこに変更前と変更後の2つのPDF文書があり、それ
ぞれをヒトの眼で見比べて 異なる部分を探し出すのは ややこしく 直ぐ
音を上げてしまう … ようなCMをよく見かけました。
ファイル比較ツール、必要なひとには 確かにあると便利なのかもですし、
それなりに訴求力があって(必要なひとには)刺さる内容だと感じます。
ただ バージョンにより ハイライト表示に違いがあったと記憶します。
完成度の違いなどはあっても、かなり前のバージョンから搭載されていた
機能だと思いますし (個人的には) 金額変更箇所のチェックなどで使用した
経験があります。
最終チェックなどで有効だと感じます(僅かな差異をかなりの確率で検出)。

もし あえて悪いところを指摘するのであれば、この当時のcompare機能は
見た目 あんまりぱっとしなかった点か … 私にとっては「 6 professional か
ら 9(Pro)」の頃 持った当時の compare 機能のイメージかと【ご参考まで】
https://review.kakaku.com/review/03200522726/ReviewCD=153173/ImageID=659613/


ここまで【reviewより引用】6.0 professional / 7.0 professional / … / 9 Pro が
販売されていた頃 (特に 7 の頃?) いろいろな種類と云うかセグメントに分かれ
て発展していくようにも思えた時期もありましたが、いつ頃からかサムネイル
縮小が1段階までに制約されてアイコンが大きくなってしまったり 変化しつつ
PDFバージョンへの対応も進んで来たのかも知れません。

最新版はあえて使わず、フリーのPDF変換ソフトを一番よく使うようになって
しまったのは残念でもあります … So long.,.

書込番号：25161890　スマートフォンサイトからの書き込み

[Noct-Nikkor 欲しい]

追伸。
『
アイマスクを取ると そこに変更前と変更後の2つのPDF文書があり、それ
ぞれをヒトの眼で見比べて 異なる部分を探し出すのは ややこし』い …
のは、今でも 訴求力はあるようにも感じています。 そして … versionや環境
は異なると思われますが :
『
グラフィック要素の相違点を無視するには、「テキストのみを比較」を選択します。
(中略) ( old file / new file )
比較対象を文書の一部に限定するには、「古いファイル」と「新しいファイル」フィールドにページ番号を入力します
』
https://helpx.adobe.com/jp/acrobat/using/compare-documents.html
(最終更新日:2023年6月20日)
多少は役に立ちそうな おもしろいウェブサイトもありました。。
数ヶ月前に
CMで見た compare のデモンストレーション (最近のversionの例?)
では かなり細かい設定も可能になっているのかもしれません !
ご参考まで。　

書込番号：25505636

イメージ的には compare : find difference between two files

[Noct-Nikkor 欲しい]

> ファイル比較ツール、必要なひとには 確かにあると便利 (中
略)ただ バージョンにより ハイライト表示に違いがあったと
記憶します。

日本語版ではないので あくまでイメージで
『older/newer document→ compare documents』
操作した結果が以下のリンク先イメージとなります …
『compare : find difference between two files』
https://review.kakaku.com/review/03200522726/ReviewCD=153173/ImageID=659613/

ご参考まで m(_ _)m!!

書込番号：25154197

グラフィック選択ツールに就いてのコメントほか

[Noct-Nikkor 欲しい]

グラフィック選択ツールに就いてのコメントです … 今更かもですが再評価。。
一度 100%倍率で選択しコピーした後で 倍率を(400%などに)変更しても コ
ピー やり直しは可能なので、こういうところは便利だと感じています!

アイマスクを取ると そこに変更前と変更後の2つのPDF文書があり、それ
ぞれをヒトの眼で見比べて 異なる部分を探し出すのは ややこしく 直ぐ
音を上げてしまう … ようなCMをよく見かけました。
完成度の違いなどはあっても、かなり前のバージョンから搭載されていた
と思いますし (個人的には) 金額変更箇所のチェックなどで使用した経験
があります。
最終チェックなどで有効だと感じます(僅かな差異をかなりの確率で検出)。
Adobe Acrobatのファイル比較ツールを使い 異なる部分をハイライト表示
する事で違いがすぐに分かって便利ではありました。

書込番号：25151981

右クリックから 選択したグラフィックをコピー [イメージ]

[Noct-Nikkor 欲しい]

『適当な表示倍率に設定して グラフィック選択使いましょう。』 [イメージ]	『少し新しいAcrobat PRO xi での グラフィック選択』 [イメージ]

グラフィック選択ツールに就いてのコメントです … 今更かもですが再評価。。
一度 100%倍率で選択しコピーした後で 倍率を(400%などに)変更しても コピー
やり直しは可能なので、こういうところは便利だと感じています!

書込番号：24290584